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We Need To Talk About Kevin - Reimagination at Work Podcast

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Representation matters. 

But why? What does it really impact? How does it really change our lives and society and why is Rachel pretending to be someone called Kevin?

New feature! Welcome to the 'What Fresh Hell Is This?!' report! This week from Mo about how the UK isnt racist anymore. YEY.

Content warning: Reference to sexual abuse.

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...week in protest at their head teachers,racist policy banning Afro, hair and colorful hijubs, they went on strikeand I am pleased to report. Their demands were eventually met, join usnext time. For what fresh hell is this? So Tan tecomout quote: Reasily the KGovernment, a Thisnam racsw've waited so long for this day. What bogs me alittle bitis, there's no light lining of the streets and celebration. Youthink when you know racism was ended in the K, it'll be like really happy and partying, but wait yeah I'll, tell you why we have a goodparty why we ha well yeah it's one of those things that it's kind of tempting not to talk aboutit actually because everybody wantse to but it's like Wys gets Theo peoplemarking the right owork saying you know we right or Wa Youo, it's same with thediscussion that there's been over last month about women as well. You knowwhere again, the government aclear themselves weny wrong during it's like.Yes, we think we're great and actually tave to change things and move thingsforward. There has to be an acceptance of a problem and an acceptance ofcriticism and acceptance. N E E need to learn- and I think that's port at thereAIS, obviously prains ther sections of the population that think they areright, but does that have anything to do with the fact that the e to Gree,the nespapers of like you woul, think that's the case and definitely thePARENTIV has been a yeah. The police find the police abrigant, the IMEDIA, fine, the media t the government turns out EA. You knowthis is one of these report, but theyr not bee that Wi isn tras is fact.Actually you know, coors ex fine and Thatis ow Mediorin ID STI is tha. ICPope be exvose to is very fuch. Avi Is Brilliant, Hmm, what a lovely way tolike live and denial Ik. I just like a part of me envies them. You know like alovely place that might be, it must be to like think ones. Shit does not stink ti just prilliant onthers, but it'salso LIK wer. I saw that there's a new season of the HANDMAS Turl out at ISIknow oforand, it's like you know. How close are we getingto this Distovia,where it's a people in charge, tell us what to think and there's only certaintypes of people in charge, and they tell everybody what to think and theytell you how wher they are, and they...

...tell you how right everything is thisseason they've decided not to air it on TV, Bhey're reeasing, it is in amassive experience. You know what you'll probably seepretame will be watching this new apthe nenew episodes of the handmaid staleand going they had it easy Di. How good they've got it yeah I mean, ifyou think, about how things are right now, on the first of April N, we're waybeyond twelve o'clock, so no more infor fools are allowed, but if you thinkabout it now we can't leave the country. No. We are trapped here on this Godforsaken island and we've just been. We just hade ourrights for protesting, yeah, taken away. Think, like I think, there's a littlebit of Frasism on the on the cards. I don't know if, if you both watchd thefirst series of this, this version of the handmads Ou, where they had someflashbacks to just before the Gilliad ragine and it, as you know, womenprotesting and like turning out in the streets and women mind of going butHoldin a minute. Is this right what's going on and I feel like weere withthere, where it's like? Okay, so this stuff is going on and it's't with whatwe headin to and like what we're going to do about it? Oh they taken our rightaway to do something about it. Etest Wei, you think about the regimes of thepast, like it wasn't like. Oh one day, everything was like freedom andsunshine and rainbows and the next up and the next day was genecide. It wasvery slown, slow, sustle changes that weren't so bad that people wouldn'tkind of just accept them and wouldn't pick up a yaage fuss about them. Andthen the next thing that came along wouldn't seem quite as bad. You knowthe first thing and then you'd get used to it and then, before you know ityou're yeah ets, like locked, Ois, tha, probably now om the Pat, I boidingwater, be you just turnit up raty yeah e Sosoutene Youo, where all the frogsWer, the frogs that's what's been happening is gradually is te is tippingaway at the need for truth, foront, but Yeyo Orde that gretually graduated IgenSuenly, now wit, forest Os is becoming a fair with the women in came Los onTACs PAS money to and it's not even in the paste that is Lik th Yeah O. Ididn't know about it until you text me the other day telling me about it. It'sjust fine, and so you know that's. This is what we're talkig about this Weekibe presentation. Is that a GI problem with the media that actually there isone tyr onpers penic stories and controlling that Ar Siv a win? Nocaring, yeah yeahy. So, for example, yesterday with the Sil Wart Bhen, itwas related Aif e saw there was a definite decision made about which journalistsgot pre information about it and there's a couple of journalists, blackwomen journers who didn't get approved,...

Wat Shuckor it yeah, so theye's been along, deliberate thing to keep them away from the information. And thenthere was like there was a drip feed of that infomatio yeah the day before, andthen you get the actual report and it's all control, so the media that we, thenews that we see, isn't the news, a such what it is. But it's what someonedecided that we should be seying. It's not necessarily what's actuallyhappening in the world there isn' There Isn' real, dedicated raiss correspondenyeah in the UKTO, the LG, ed Morea, and what I eenta do yas the only racecourse O to k, Achebalo Cope, the repordand was Parreti yeah. It wasreayse to Hert atd if you're going to Reaseit Tho anybody, Sur youis yeah,the one uck person yeah, so I think we're all perety on the same page interms of the report being a politically motivated kind of thing for certain people in the country's votes,and actually you know do we not talk aboutit, so we don't even remotely legitimize it in any kindof way. Tat Thing, so I saw lots of people yesterday a lot of people colestoday saying by the way, I'm not commenting about this. I'm not joiing.The News pograms at vert in US go on inm just know: jus, that's engaging ina discussion that we shouldn't be having this report. Isn't we shouldn'validate so yeah, give it the air time and most- and you see happening withlops of new stories to all of the stories about violence against women.That we've seen overlast in the last few weeks, particularly, isthe way their storis a told, watches the headline there was one lice orwhich was you know something about. A girl, whod have been rabbed by manage,be walking fhroug apart and the headline wasn't that she was rat wherman. It was something to do with the way she was dressed, O ac, but it'sbasically you know it's that's the narrative were being told and that'sbecause the people in charge of their newspapers are setain groups, certaintypes of people and then they're controlling how those stories are toldbecause you haven't, got different top types of peoplerepresented in the air. When I, those headlines are always x, amount of women have been raped thisyear. It's never X. amount of men have re women there e this year. You knowit's so suffe yeah yeah this one on of Basalaons t toga. I such teenage girl, headbuts man after beingrabed, and it's like so much wrong with that. Yeah focuses on her headpos againand it tol you yo, say after Hea, Grapo is Oto being Gra like yes, Bya tree ora rock orgrab a dog, because that would be great hed butter, this poor guy. Hewas just my Kes Sai. This tis just grubbing with I dills on the path yeahit is, but what we do about that, how a we? How do you getit people, tellingthe stories? Because my peore saying...

...myk the people who are on there arebeing shut down? Wi hes Hav, not reading about Musi comment: Si at speakso Wu. We JCS, there's no Shor to do SOI. Ghess People Ho want to tell thesestories, but they're not being leting Ti teenvesation or are they yeah?That's that shortly yeah? It's a difficult thing. I think I Itextyo break yesterday and ti I fet tired by the Ne just today. Eyeah,that's actually how I felt about it. I think a lot of people felt the saimebecause it is exhausting. So what we're going to do now, Wa're going to nowhave to persuay ou whole onother people whoave insume, this report that Rasesmexist because they can sa op that Wa sand. It didn't TAT's like it, seteverything back, even if we igknowe it. If we border omore join egaging it awhole lot of people. Wil have just seen the headlines or just seen things aboutit atd Lo. It just makes the task even more exhausting, and it was alreadyhard o try, reall riht Ito to carry on talking to people that you agree withand who are going to agree with you and that's one way: Wet Yoall, like Yo know,I joined he wepon Ar Niht, for example, which was to people talking about it asIn't a kind of safe space to talk about it with with them saying you know, becareful who you talk about an Coft yourself. You know we need to see thisreport for what it is. We need to. You know understand what ore the wholethings about, and then it's not necessarily about moving the conversation on it's bactwho they want to appeal to that kind of thing. But what do you do is at somepoint, we've got to reach out an o Tal to all these people that happen to youthat believe what it said An. What are the challenges for us, this biger partof our mission, a wash the space. Why we exist is to how drepit startyeah hiis es toy bigod more andseviously the top SHITWHATS HAP G Coersationriin Tabe, wel E, caging, busines, wethat's, ve,important driesuccess Tut, that now I feel aharder job, because we' already tri to educate, Peo explado people who we needmore Lo, best, pouters and now o. We just make good well tit's, fine,because there's no yeah it just makes it so much easierfor the people that didn't think we had a problem before to go. Well now,there's a proper like government report that says that you know it just makesit so much easier to just it. canol ignore the problem or justeven just really genuinely believe there isn't a problem, because it'sbeen thedismised through a government report, and youknow so much and I think breakit almost proved this point a so many people inour country don't take responsibility for their own information and wherethey get their own information from and what kind of information they trust and they will just read the headlines, ango. That's the name! THAT'S WHATAS REAL!...

You know- and I think that that's probably one ofthe things that we need to encourage people, so I some some way to take moreresponsibility over the media. They consume being more widely read, takingresponsibility for knowing what the truth is yeah and then it's also, I interms of the work layes in the work context, is also continuing to havethese suscussions and challenge people when they say things or challenge,behaviors or charge decisions that are made or people that are hired or peoplethat are promoted. You know it's, it's almost like yeah. This reports come outand it's Maini your porduct, but WEU have to continue doing those thingsbecause ways wule never going to make those changes that ee Wong to see inbusinesses yeah because well just perpetuate not let nothing happening ifwe don't stand up and say those things and actually throwattention to them and challenge them so Mo. What would you say if someone cameto you and said I don't think diversityis a problemactually in businesses? I Don' think it's a problem. That's the kind of thing that get spendall the time. So they it's hard to think about theother perspective when t thir's, just everything I opposed to. But if I thinkabout things that said to me its you know, we are really successful business.I don't see that there's a problem. You know interns of Mi promosin people.What I think he's lot more tim to do that. I think he would be able to grassthe role- and you know really run with ther O poners opposed to somebody else,and those are the kind of things that are said almost like ther obisises that are successful. Sowhy do we want to chake anything? What's the probably of winting out, Idon't sink. The problem is there are over therere all these businesses thatare successful? That's the fin of thing that gets said. So I think it's. How do we chalnge that cause? Actually,there are whole bunch of people that think there isn't he problem. So onething that we know is obviously the three of US voge it agroe with eachother, Yeah Oi worlds. Wari here and we know we talk in on obubl about stuff.We already agree on, but we know one of the things weea. You Knot, O Bush, thepaces about trick to each hage. The way think tryand, Gro, nsation out e ten toe wait see what we're going to do. That is trying T, Talko, ageist ourselves,tryin. To think of some reasons why representation may all may not be anifporsan thing to have I business so some of the things that we think areimporsed having SOGESC SE sitions running businessesinspires other people to think that it's Ocole, that they canput it vercres. It helps chalnge established peop. Some lots, TAT eit liks like soulberunning businesses and it Haws bringin iffrnpeople wit, soperspectives wicldrug in efation. But at these tings to...

...be taking pretty great ive king see he's gonna Gev ba WHO's.GOINGTO disagree, Onthey I'll, be the disagree an. Why do we not want Oesotation business pecially? Why don't we need it? Well, I mean before even those questions, I'mthinking and when I say I'm thinking the character I am now impordyin hitwas a Kavin. It was veing, intoelbes, yeah, H, Kevin. I will kind of want to do like afancy voice. Bokep cavern, I fom working a presness with no I'Mgonto. Dothat so I'm gonna be playing thekind of kindof devil's advocate role, which usually I'm really comfortable art, but this isthis kind of viewpoint is going to be very much opposed to everything Ibelieve in to my very call, but so the first, the first area I would start offwith is yeah like. Is there a diversity problem at all, and also you know ifyou want to bring people who are you know what people are falloing across sectionof society in the country like? What's the difference between having a whiteman in charge of a business company and running things, as he sees, you knowthe best way to run things and those things running in a certain way or having a black woman as the personin that role, because they'll be running toing things as they as in youknow, with their world for you and their experience? Why is that better than having Kevin from Slou in charge? NOWTHAT'S WE ORDCO Kavin. He reallysorry. We Love You, I locno it yeah, so I mean again Tis tkind of things. I've heard people say is Ol. What is good to have? You know,people that we relate to in those wor rols IFOR example see o yeah it's greatto annoy people that you know've watit before O. I know I know this dial and Iknow how they're going to be- and I know I'll give it all the hours and youknow yo all those things, those ar the kinds of things that Ave said and it'sabout familiarity and kind of not wanting to change something.That's working already and you know Thatis, probably the wider conversationto they for a lot of people. They don't see, there's problems and why we wan wego one about changing things, because everything's fine were making money andalso Oll that as well and another thing, Bat Wy, Hinin, O interviewing o Kep or Somotito one wan,Mos, O good. I tit yeah t by which they neen somebuty he's Gonto get on witheveryone, his similarty e, what else hes already ther, which makes sensewhen he say that that I want someone he's going to FIS, Yeah Er God use going to be. You know, Raethe ornization, but ywe would be, as we said, close TodaTbot. It acsuoluty need just it. You who isn't the sane, yes yeah itsdifferent and he's Goona brigin e Respecto challege things but ATUALBN.So you know Kevin SAS CE boy. This wit,...

I don't won an he's. GOINGTO come inand descrubb a really posessive company cosu on O yeah. It was I don' WalSomeod chaking different. I want somebody's GOINGTO BET it. So that isthe other. The other argument. So, first of all, I've been inhiring toyous and they said Oh wat, someone who fits in Tas someone who's like the restof the teams, tat, Tey, etimi everybody and the the argument. Ta Get firings ina different is IA. In they're going to disagree, we tried someone before itwas different. Oh Gos, they disagree with everything a constantly challenge.The way we do things- and you know I don't think that's what we're lookingfor we've got things to do. We just want some people that an the same aswe've got now now fitting and the do all things in the way we do them. We we do. We need people's gats orcomfortable with disagreement yeah having that's the thing, and I realizeI'm coming out of character here. That's that's my like white man whodoesn't believe in diversity or the diversity problem, so I'm liaving Kevinfrom sout aside and returning back into Rachel Pearson from Brighton,Progressive Thinker, yeah it just as that. There's nocontact details, you'll find me if you need mebut in terms of yeah getting comfortable more comfortablewith being segreed with and, as you know, you know, people that are generally notvery good at disagreeing with other people or being disagreed with. We allneed to get comfortable with them, because in fact I was only having aconversation with a couple of people, the other day about feedbaut, giving feedback, how youreceive the feedback and that kind of stuff- and you know it's not bad. It's not it'snot bad to be disagreed with it's not bad to be challenged, but we, I don'tknow whether it's a human being thing ar UK thing. Just so just everyone kindof thing, but we don't like being made to feel uncomfortable. You know weeverything in US kind of fights against that, because because it shows us that there's aproblem that we have a responsibility to be part of fixing yeah, there's lotsof research. That shows that teams where they add different Leople,will debate more and have disagreements more and that's a fact. There will bemore disagreement because you're ranning different people together Omwhat they'll come out with a much more crative, inviiv ideas and they'll comeAC. Come O decisions quicker, but well have disagreement along the way, and ifyou think about that, there are a lot of workplaces that don't want meetingwhen people are that a disagreeing. They just don't want that and actuallye saying. Is You that's what you did? You knew that disagreement and it'sabout learning how to handle those kinds of conversations and learning howto Disapgreev with each other. That were in the end of enything YourBusiness Hor, because you'll have different ideas, your Av, our new waysof doing thit. It's like that metaphor of you know, that's how we're all inBrighton. So we know pit pebbles...

...intimately an sometimes reallyliterally into, and you know that's how pebbles kind ofcome to be like rounded and beautiful and, like you know, they look more appealing, isbecause they've been thrown against other rocks in the OCEA over years andrefined and refined and refined until they've become something of mulmoreperfect. It's a super cheesy metaphorm, big fan of them. I will not anologizeso e from ourselves. You wesirn the three of us with panning businessdecision. We walk an TAT o ore about on Ideain that this is realant, and thenwe go intotto. Somebody is like probly. You guys o about this t en wat of youdi SOM, esize a I s I o di, but then actually youhave to go an think about that and it fauses you to ti even better make thatidea that be better yeah, a that's. We don'titly progress things an outfurther because someone's coming on on yeah, but I tid that recently I spoketo somebody Ot, a business, mental, all that games and advise- and he said youknow the first thing I is youre presuming. Everybody knows what youmean when you' talking about diversity, inclusion and actually theres a olebunch of people there and just Gettin all with their jobs that don't knowwhat you mean they might have had the word. But you know what do you actuallymean by that? What was the thing you're offering that latbis is right back toto Kaven ins original co, yes, which is you know, is Tho Wey, run an issuebecause I wi gave a a talk of reasong and I wassaying there are more os co pizza and there are women and theremoters. You want hundred companies that alleged by Peoplom Day the boypeople ove color, but Kenin's Bot wuld be and to all those fito one hundredcompany and so wer doing great money. Money Money, yeah, speaks volumes,bring me the money, I'm Kevin again by the way, ithinwhat wos. The problem with that.My O Y Shoul TATB yeahning Ompaiesthis, is actually interesting. Toba a Hanalot of people too. So there's thes, two SICIS to me. There's this the argumintthat we want o fair world. I want to live in a faira world. I want ow thefuture world to be better than the world at we're in now. You want that'show you want regere God. I want that so much yeah yeah seriously. Wan aee cat,Oh yeah, no, like the Ol, is Ers, but to have that change. Youe gotto change our thing to done that Weans, making things Fairar, making differentpeople, part of leadership, change, forson decision, mainly sot. It's theright thing to do. You know like Morreally for the sake of the futureetce, but there are a lot of people that don't see it that way or don'treally care about that side of things. So for those people, I'm afraid you dohave to point out the business benefits of innovation, creativity, ideas,solving the world's next pobloan. You know because businesses, products andservices are about solving problem,...

...essentially as if you want yourselftooris problems or then you' Gen to thes ine different people to do thatwith different experiences, et etc and JUS SEM product Ond Services Wull, ifyou're only seying to one type of person that you're not going to be ableto stop that changing that more more different kinds of people are makingdecisions on purchases. So it means you've, got to think about those peopleand how you oin appeal to them. So how a you going to do that if your teamsare all the same? WHO 'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND? You know use that example again, if Kevin andhis friends in a company orall creating a product and theyreate, something thatthey like, they will not be able to send it to. You know the yolther peoplein the world, women you cal kind of they won't Ge at the SEECON becausethey haven't thought about them in their prouct design, which they wouldnwouldn't have done. Yeah, no and then any kind of accurate fashion. Anyway,it's like so that the whole thing about nude,colored, tie, yeah and nude makeup and Typswe got fin designd for Mentas andnot women's the Haveitt talk about the sides of the phone, and you know,there's all kinds of just examples with fir time Tim again, which I a veryresently. I ut the AORREC OLS o now AC te Ns video er, because I'm veryreasently had to baby anm Racos Carrenti trials IED with cu te. Oneexample IALWAYS get in to show ot the WORLL of Defni, designed for a by a matis a Lak. When you want Prenance, I give you Miss Pot bin Cose Tome, whichis miniature so tily this little testoiz. I now have a secondary people,youlisteners you'll be all glad to reer about this is because this this port isreally really tiny, and it's like you've designed this pot. A man hasdesigned this part because he has a penus and a pelus. You can aim, it willbe ams and will an see it when you're not like Y en yeah. Exactly stickingwith the medical theme and during the last year, there's been discussionabout PV that an doctors, nurses well, and it's designed se quate tall men sofor Ol Women Ito the FIR and they've been alfols o problems with that andthere you know there are other examples like that: There's lots of examples inmedicine, actually, with things like trials of menication Beeh, a don'tthink Testan get data on women, for example. There's been a lot ofdiscussion about that like he last year, and if you want to read more about that,you can read invisible women y who's, the bt based on data that sow yeah, yes and the other thing about as Wel ThaWicpo pesins. That is what even well tha's got different products. Atalkabout people was single to different. Well, there's Bot different types ofcompany ut don want to just be Bain Te, several truces of yeah different changeof Ro Ma Idia. I want a variteof different things. You know I'm reallyhappy to keep going back to CACI pet bovis. Why Jon these? What's the difference? Treetthabusiness on by what not this is from...

...my poean. I want to have that. Did difron chanseive not to have ways different. You know, ifets is a lot of differentthings happening and you on't that's the thing when Yo an o besr different,xpectigeifferent types of business, doing things in different ways whichjus give Gro suppors, Worl and Caus you di, think, itill, say challengs, eachother and pasuals and reto things, because you ye iand find a better waysto do things as well as Coiin business, Strategi, Tet, tem, osessions, Youarsoming about like what woe as you trying to solve or somemore in problembefore. Can we do better those wher the days and I've talkd you about itrecently with a friend ectially about kitchen design? So you know kitchendesigners moved on. We move recently, so thinking about new kitchens andthere and things evolved. There are the different things that weren't availablewhen I first designe Ekachon an e Hous, and you know it thems like no lost hast.We have one of those, a fo or o tack thing as the hang in acattle, andthat's because somebody decided like that was an inovention to decide to doto solve like the next issues. That means now O on have to have a castle onheside. Is it a yeah? It's an example where sometines thought about somethingand design something new for it, and if you only dedoing things with one groupof people in mind or that N Tyng O, I te Minde you're going to forget aboutall of the other people that could have great ideas that could be using couldbe fuying those products and services that you're designing. So it's aboutthinking about those things as well as it being right, white thing to do inthe world. It's also the representation point and again, I'm stepping back intoRachel shoes now which are much more comfortable. This about the representation point aswell. When Kevin was fguing about you know, what's the difference betweena white man leading and business and a black woman leading a business? It'sthe fact that that woman is then seen as a business leader. Yeah, it's it's about proportionalrepresentation as well. In terms of you know, underrepresented andparticular. Potentially you know yeah like underrepresente. Itunder represented groups of people not consistently and commonly seeing peoplethat look like them in those roles, ifit's just Selfperpetuat, yea, thinkyou don't see those people in those roles that look like you. So then yougo that's not for me, but you know when you're a child and you're looking atpeople who Brun companies and businesses and you're hearing aboutpeople like that, because you're really into that kind of stuff when you'rechild, I'm sure but you're, not seeing yourselfrepresented in those places. So you think that place isn't for me yeah ifhe's really important children from a Drupton to croups to see an e like them,an those rolls to they knone that yeah, it's importal children to see fromdominant groups to see people in those wolls Tinan. They knowits for everybodyand it's just a very important for the CEVINS, an the people missisis to seepe different to them and they were Lo say that they revise they havto. Takethese people seriously and also an e o...

Bin. The note I endon is, I think,where we for the Kevins is that when we say cother, remoseyears copeted, an therogmener or days thine cot of what they think twe say is Wewan to get rid ofsome of the petes in the days and that isn't Thecass, Peter and DA can carryAon the Eis tess o the probatwole one is more of everybody else, and there'san infidet number of rogs an COC ou ne. We can have as many companies as welike everyone, e companies, Peverby yeah and Newta the issue as hitting offa few pizzas. It's just get a did know we were going to kill them. That jus me. I think you definitelytook a big leap there that ime oe Li you wer like we're. Not there with youyet agod a mand. You want to kill it thewindow, not killing people. Okay,I'm gonna write that down because I feel like I will forget that point:Youh, not killing people and a you very much everybody Ben Listening. We reallylove to know what you think, because, as you want to tar Il sensity thediscussion o care, fo people, so that's just we areo of your favorite ition, ahhelo pack, an Wellbe backtoeaoe focast. I.

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