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Episode 3: The New ‘Normal’: How's It Going So Far?

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Hello, everybody and welcome toreimagination at work podcast. This is our third episode of our three partseries. Sadly, we're coming to an end on ounr new normal series. This episode,it's all about getting back to normal and how's, that going for everybody,we're going to be talking about our two predictions ideas of thoughts, abouthow it's going now and how things are changing and how we want them to changebecause, as we said throughout the series, we don't really want to go backto normal. We need to reimagine what normal should be in this posopandemicworld. So today, I'm joined by I, like wit, Chatlan, am o Changela. Welcomeguys. How are you doing Ol good? How are you yes, not too badhaving a good week and sunshine always has yeah. It's amazing how much of adifferent kind of outlook it gives you, when the sun is out, even when you'rein lockdown, how a you vot, no bads, Dobbad. It's yeah, definitely happywith the suns out it's starting to feel a bit less like the apoteticed yeah.It's Nice Yeah, definitely nice to feel like it is edging towards. You knowlike not normal, obviously, because that's not what we want, but beingedging towards freedom and togetherness in a physical manner, which sounds verysexual. I want to be together with you in a ogther with both of you in a physicalmanner. Every way. Shame of and it's weird hot time is passingactually because you know it just felt like you was all going to dragaboutactually now, like another week's nearly go and it's kind of te time justgoes it's going pretty fast, actually, yeah sure I don't know whether that'sbecause every day feels quite similar. This morning I got up what would be my normal time and nomorelife put makeup on. Did my hair chose up some clothes that were not jogging,bottoms and Pajaa, and then I came to my office? No one else is here: FYI do all of this work so yeah it kind offeels regular. I'm Goinna not use the world normal we're going to dig rightinto our topic of our third and final podcast of this first series: The newnormal hows, it all going a Lega Chapman. How about you kick us off withyour first contribution and we'll see if we had poenty with you, I would lovetoo Rachel Person. So in terms of how normals going, I know from speaking toyou a lot of different people that a lot of businesses have had a lot offlexible working and remote working requests landing on their desk already.It was quite interesting. My husband's had a survey round from his work askingspecifically about whether people wanted to work from home. More oftenhow they'd like to do that Wer they're...

...interest in it. I know it's something that a lot of friends and other business sainers I'vespoken to. You have been saying that they're really interested in now. Theyreally want to increase the you know the time that they work from home.After all, this is over. They want to carry on doing at least a couple ofdays a week at home. That's going to be something thet business you think about,because if they haven't av had a plan for how they come out of Doxanand whatthey do about flexible working in e long term, they need to think aboutthat right now. They need to start thinking about how they're going tomake it work long term, rather than just as a reaction to corona virus nd everything thit's goingon, and it can actually be really beneficial for a lot of businesses.While there's pressure to follow Sacial, distancing measures to keep certainhalsetic guidelines in place, Haing few of people physically in the officecould be a real advantage, could actually make it a lot easier to fullowthise guidelines make it look safer. There's talk now of. If certain areasget a spoke in cases, them might be local lockdowns. But then what happensif you're in lockdown say you live in Brayton and yew work in London, ifyou're in lokdown and Broton, but your office is still open. You know H, thow's, that going to work so Actaly, sexibe working, you know, romoteworking is more of an option than that makes it much more possible for fewyour employes whoin different areas to keep working, no matter what yeah. Ithink. I'm definitely agree with that one, because it's there have been businesses that worklike this already. There are examples of companies that have always workedlike this and it Hawasn't such a big thing for them, but equally there warea lot of businesses. That said it couldn't be done and that you couldn'tdo that job romotely and that's now changed and they've had to. I imaginethere are lots of companies looking at their processes right now, and you knowhow they can be guessed ou for this because they, as you've already saidthey being enundated with request for him yeah that when we're working withbusinesses, that's one of the the things that we look at is how they canmake fet for working work and how they can can put that into t action. And sofrom that, we know how important it is to have a really robust process,because it isn't just a case of just doing what you do now, but by a videocall, R or SOTAC. There's a lot more to it. You can't just mave you're existingset up online and then that's it yeah. I think it's going to come down to how how much forwere planning businessesare putting in right now, yeah, I'm thinking about businesses that areextremely nontraditional businesses, so obviously film production, TVproduction as just shut down industries where there requires peopleto be in physical contact. So you know, like hairdresses beauty, sell ons, thatkind of thing as well lots and lots of human interaction and touching. Iwonder how how the future looks for them in terms of like future proofing,like we kind of touched on last episode, it's kind of beyond me at the momentabout how that can even how that can even work. I hope it does, because I amextremely untempt and I need a beauty,...

...sell, od and Li before the pups open.So Yeah padressing is a really interestingone, because obviously no there's no way that you can do remote,heir dressing know. That would be disastrous, but you can do mybor herdressings. It obviously requires you to be in contact with one person, but itlimits the number of people you're in contact with in t it means that thatyou can be a bit safer and- and I guess we'll say track he's been in contactwith. I wonder if there's going to be more of a model, Af tact, ind of one onone, you know services we where it is more of a you know: People coming toyou coming out to Beo's houses. More of a kind of private interaction ratherthan yeah, were a busy head pay to people which could lead to more optionto people for working as well yeah. I certainly hope that still going to getgoing to him, because I also badly need a haircut, I massicll cutale of my hairoff right for lock down and I'm not growing it out. So this is actuallyproved to be out perfect time. I guess it's about. The attitude is about theattitudes of which people come to it with of weminimizing the risk. We knowit's not realistic, to expect to completely obliterate the risk so andpeople need to work. People need to make a living, so it is aboutminimizing what bisk there is so going. Yeah mobile services like that are muchbetter cool so Mo. Let's move on to your point yeah, so mine is actually kind of connected to allebres in lotsof ways, so I think there's going to be less concentration on cities, so we'vealready seen Cambridge University, for example, have moved their entire yearonline until next year and more businesses are increatingremotely they're thinking about how rols can work promotely. So I thinkthat's going to lead to then businesses assessing how much office pace etactuall where the office needs to be. What does the office need to be fore,and I think then, that I tink well see that there'll be less of an impact F ofliving in Citie, so you don't have to worlive in London and can we allcommute ous to landon to do certain roles? I think it would change thingsand my end sort of longer term. I feel like that's going to have a benefitbecause be less pressure and housing spreads the economies you don't have op.We don't have so many ems of areas that they'll deprive because you can't get ajob there, so everyone leaves there. I think it's going to be kind ofredistribution, ofwhere people aely hated to work which is going to have. Ithink that's going to stay a lot of that. I don't think we're going to see that will go back to how it was andthat I've seen lots of articles online actually and an a bril pace about youknow is this: The death of the office as we know it yeah. I can confirm thatthat is is happening because we've been looking for a little while about movinga bit further out of Briton, becausewe're based right in the Centrof well hovf. Actually themaiment...

...and we've been looking for a whitemeating a little bit furgher out, get a little bit more space and and be narrow to the beat which wewould we really like what we can't ever do right in the center of hope, becauseof ridiculously expensive yeah w. You know, we've been looking t that for awhile, but actually what kind of thing? What does that mean? Then my husband'suppreasing his job and he's really happy where he works, e's really Saubo.I does lot mean ire homing to him having to changed jobs s. It mean upreacing everything, but actually now, if he's working from home a few daysweek, canmucing a bit further for the days at jues have to go in theOFFICEISNAND, so bad. We can then move fether out have thatspace and that could of you know cheaper house as well, which would benice, nd and yeah that kind of better quality of life and better balance sowe're doing ot now you know that's happening were or places on the market.We're of so hopefully people talk about the k being overcrowded. It isn't aybeabout, one percent of the K is inhabited, but the problem is: We havesuch dense clusters, Londson, obviously being the biggest one, but you've gotBurmingam and Manchester and PLAC like that that a ar the only places whereyou can get jobs, so everybody flocks there and, as you said, Bo, that putshuge pressure on resources housing. You know it causes huge areas of socialdeppemation in some areas and it creates all of these problems and itmakes people feel overcrowdeds and have a person and really stressed out,whereas actually, if you can spread that out and then distribute theresources more evenly and people have space to breathe and there's lesspressure on everything, then it will just make everything a loot better foreverybody, Yeah Yeah. I agree with that one and very fortunately your pointlinks to my first point. So I'm just going to respond with my first point. What you were saying around to peopleeven need physical offices anymore, we're going to see a decline inphysical, shared office places like individual business. Businesses mightnot even have their. You know their own premises like tort of Visibiti. We'vegot a nice office everyoeon, I think likes being it. I like being it I'mhere right now, but one of my points was, I think for me personally and I think, for alot of people, tha have gone through theesixty with working from home, so Iused to hate working from home. I used to like being surrounded by people. Myjob is quite people focused anyway and when I first started working from home,it was really difficult. I' definitely become accustomed to it. Now I see likeI've seen ha live, but I seen the benefits of f like working from homeand being a bit more in control of your time and destiny and day and what youdo and when and all of that kind of stuff, think it's going to be awfullyhard for me and for a lot of people to actually now the wayr sort of easing. Ulockdownstack. Businesses are going...

...back to work. I think people are goingto really struggle and need suport for going back to. You know how it wasbefore, or, albeit with probably social, distancing measures in place inphysical offices. So my prediction- I guess linked to that point and yourpoint Mo- is that I think probably going to see a lot of office spaces uppolise, especially ones that have maybe not especially ones that have theirteam working in the same city. For me, I'm coming at it from a selfish pointof view and that my job is managing six other people, as well as doing kind ofclient deliverable work as well. I'd see it as quite easy one to for us totake our business and work from home and not have a physical office becausewe're all close together in terms of the city, an tem tobrighten a hove, but of people a couple of people in Shoreem, whereas initially I would have thoughtthat that would be too difficult and I wouldn't enjoy it for those one on onesthat I have with my team. There's. No reason why we can't physically meet upin a coffee shop and have those important conversations and development,iscussions training and all of that kind of stuff in in person, and just doyou know the business and the work that we need to do online. We've got lots oftools that help that so I think yeah. My prediction is, I hope I don't haveto come back to a physical office because I'm going to find it toodifficult, and I don't think that we totally need them anymore and believeme listeners. That is a complete, like turnaround from my my opinion, Mermonths ago. So Yo have no idea how much that is a departure from the ratel ofjust before lockdown. I all SA just went off into a bit of a reverie. Whileyou were talking imaginings sitting in a coffee shop with somebody becauseprobaby the thing I miss mast at the Mamini ITN lones coffee shops, like Ihaven't, had an expertly made flat white for months, and I realized thisis first world problems like I mean like for me to for that. To be one ofmy top problems at the moment is incredibly privileged and and yeah kindof stupid, but I do miss it. So you know e H. I guess anything. I worryabout is kind of people's different needs, as people mean to have differentthese people. Some people really thrive in that office. Environment. SOS justgoing to be thinking about those things and how you can refrar that, or do youhave that some of the time yeah? How do you make it work, yeah, yeah andsupport me is as well. You know for people th with different kind ofphysical needs. How are they going to be provided for if DESNET office? Howare you going to be checking in with people to make sure they're? Okay, howyou going to be keeping that company cold you're going yeah, there's a lotto think about with it, but I yeah, I think, hat that wild be pretty high ona lot of bepaue's continency Hans Right...

...now, because, especially if they'vetaken a financial hit with with all of this going on, if they're thinking willactually, we can rekeep sane cost by letting our offic space go. Yeah.There's going to be a lot of boring considerations as well like Internetlike who pays for that. If we're al were home health and safety, do we needto worry about health and safety in people's homes like from a businessperspective yeah, so in most corporation says, I used to work inbeingcorporations where they do have to think about that, so they wuld theyhave wors from Hin policy that you have to do a risk destment for working fromhome. Some companies even give you a budget to buy a dison chair. You knowthe Hasbhe Comin Y hasband work, for they do that, so there are so biggercompanies will have. Some of them will have those things in place. Not all,but it's a lit's all of the other businesses that we have never eventhought about that. Ther one needs to think about that yeah completely yeah,all right. Let's move on Allegua! It's your turn again. Well. This actuallyfits quite nicely h with what we just talking about, because I don't have an office because I'm aone man and o moning band got done the Picteapi, an the jensed linguage iwon band. Do I well, I can oworkingspace. That's been really really valuable forme from lots of different perspectives, one just for my my mental healthgetting out of the house and going and seeing other humans and having peoplearound me when I'm working is really nice. Even if I don't really, you know somedays, Wel n necessarily spleak to anybody really, but just having otherhumans near you is a really nice thing get just getting out. F The house I Wyou know if we do all end up in a pace where we're not working, piscalofficism were working remotely. I really recommend for everybody to getthemselves a coworking space membership and go go somewhere to work because itI did try for ite, while I first neaves to brok nose commusing up to London twodays a week, conworking from Harin the rest of the time, and I was actuallyworking in my flat I'd going absolutely out of my mind and getting really justyeah stressed: Peup Bous it. So I really recommend people cano get out and get acarecumeniop for the gender. That's not in that situations that really helpedit alo saks it. For me, it's been really valuable for networking andbusiness connections. I've got clients, three connections that I've made inthat space. You know I collaborated with a lot of people. Hi've met thereHa's been a lot of work. That's Abol Om Mat. So it's really really useful to meand am now kind of wondering about what it's going to looklike, and you know it thing about correking spaces and theire placeswhere you can share ideas. You can just be sitting working away and someonegoes. Oh, does anyone know anything about this, and then you can have alittle Pasel tat. You can try information and you can pick idearsaround and you know all EF. That sot of thing isgreat when you're working on your own...

...so well thror anybody but ut, particularlyif you're in your own, so yeah, I'm kind of wondering, what's going Tahappen to that now and how that's going to operate, where, where that'sopportunity for collaboration and coporation is going to go. For you know,particularly four people who art by themselves Bat said Fil discrager. So the projectswho are a coacking space in the center of Briton or a client of mine andobviously with everything, is being on. I've been really clasely involved. Withconversations they've been having about about their next steps and they'rereopening inme Baby Mir, he incredibly hards Best Hi's aperations manager isan absute legend she's been working incredibly hard to put leades ofdifferent safety measures in place and work out. You know the best way to makethe building available people safelys, that they can use, hit and get all ofthose benefits, but also they've. A lot of things. Online they've created a lotof virtual ways that people can still attend events, training and you knowkind of Dell thaut learning, but also collaborate with one another shareideas and kind of keep that community going. So I think, it'll be reallyinteresting to see how that progressors and whether there's more of a blendsnow of virtual collaboration and onlinecommunity building, as well as the offline side, but I hope that we can,you know lbe able to keep the offline going as well. Yeah there's been some really good online collaborations.During this time I mean is almost been overwhelming. There's been so manyopportunities to dial into different types of Webenars and networkinrets. Iwent to a great event. Last week it was last week we ill give a little cluck toher acstually have a berry who wan a coffee, company, Wans lited in postingparties, where you all get together. You meet each other talk about what youdo and then you like and show each other's linked in Pos. So it's a way oflike crainting the the online community there's been like conferences onlinethere's been, as you said, with the projects having their community online.There's been a lot of these things and ituld be great to see that continue tothe people that are working were morlly have ways to connect with people. I'vehad a couple of meetings in coworking spaces before, and I kind of feel liketheir great areas for creativity, like especially the projects and platformran there. The way that they're designed I mean those are the only twoI've been in, so I literally can't talk about any others. The way they're designed Ar to fosterkind of creativity, they've got enough resources for you to go and kind ofdeep work by yourself and it's another option for businesses who do want to do away with their their actualpremises if they rent or own premises, but still keep regular in personcollaboration together or have like Bigercompe tings. Together they canrent spaces and those coworking spaces...

...to do that or if they really havepeople in their teams who are just like. I just can't work on my own at home. Ihate it then there's an option: a much more affordable option there for themto provide them with Ha coworking desk in a coworking space for them to feel the energy of peoplearound them. You know make connections and that kind of thing and actuallyhat's, probably quite a lucrative thing to have access to you as a business.You've got especially in Brighton. It's so creative lots of start up businesses, arein coworking spaces, sotapping into that kind of startup energy is, can be really refreshing aswell, if you're in a more established business. So that's definitelysomething that should be considered as part of the mix of what comes next. There are a lot. Thereare lots of the lots in London as well, so we werk or the famous ones for that,but there are busenences that are puli based in ASE. We were absinities wherethey have. You know they have bars and you have like beers on a Friday andthings, but they also have meeting spaces they a lot of those businessesmight have bigger teams, so maybe software engineers that aren't basedthere, but they can get them in for meetings if they need to so that Ithink there's going to be, I don't think coworking is going away. I thinkitwill be in different ways: Oll be virtual ways of networking as well, butI think it's going to be more use to those kinds of things we think about.The projects is: has got that sort of members cub vib Bat. Also. I went as aguest I', not Amember, because I know that muc ee friend o fine invited me toso her house, London, for day, just very spwanky, soing cool on the roof,andthat, jazz and lovely and Al All. These sorts of things, I think, aregoing to increase and popularity now and and people are really keen forthose networks and those connections and yeah bt being able to tap into thatthat sense of community and especially if they can have an online companion aswell, to bring more people in and make it more accessible to wmore people. Ithink that would be really interesting to watch. Theeit, yeah, awesome cool soMo. What's your second and final point to share with the listeners yeah. Sofor me I, my final point to share is about creativity. I think thire's goingto be more creativity done in different ways,leading to more diversity. Inclusion is my prediction, so we've already gotpeople working in different locations, working different hours and usingdifferent types of collaboration tool. So wherether is, you know, zoom forvideo conferencing, or there are other kinds of collaboration tols that you'veseen people using where they can Pi des Together and brainstorm, and you know,share ideas and it's going to lead to there's going to be more of that andthere's all kinds of stafts about this, which is why it's so frustrating t atnothing. Changes more diverse teams have more creative ideas that makecompanies more money. So it can only be good thing to have different ways ofcrazing one of these ideas and that...

...this time has led to that, becausethat's got to change so instead of having the same types of people comingup with product ideas and things like that and getting promoted becausethey've had the great idea mit predict that we're going to see more creativity,better ideas and different types of people being the people that leavethose things yeah. Definitely it's like we're all on the same wavelength,mysteriously, because I'Llallegra you can go I'll. Let you gofirst, but my my final point is again very much linked to what you just said.So I agree. The only thing that was going to add towhat may said was that I do think there's a weird link between lockdownand creativity, because I think I mentioned on a previous episode thatI've had some sort of weird creative put. That sounds. That's a horrible wed! That's really gross n that Majatelyeahyeah Gre to can editthat out have had a turge appreative sesince since Iwas E.IT's weird because this has been probably one of the most tressful timesof my life. It's been really stressful, it's been horrible and there's a lotabout it. That is, is a nightmare and Yeh. So I'm a a free, nounce writer anda fiction writer as well- and I h found myself suddenly being just you know,ridiculously prodific and my writing. I'm chaining things: Outout left rigtcenter and Youknow. I really prelockd out forquite a while been struggling to maefect myself to write for myselfrewriting. I do a lot of writing for work which ISO have to do becausethat's Ho I get paid but the stuff for myself. I've really struggled with, andsuddenly it's Al. It's all just you know, puting out of me and coming anand I've noticed with a lot of people, people who work in different crates ofcareers. You know, Woll Rachel has been all over the placee making films andwriting and feeling surf, and I know you know a little friends who areactors whouve been, and you know, creating thos of things and playwrights,and you know somthing everybody seems to be turning work out with evhe placeand it's really interesting. I think that something in the pressure in thestress have lokd down seems to have unlocked something in a lot of people,not to say everybody. There are a lot of people who are feeling reallyblocked at the wing. Tsere is just, and that's fine and you Sul be puttingpressure on yourself to be massively creative, just because lads of peopleare pacing shit on instagram. It's you know it' it's by not to be doing that,but I do think it's interesting that it does seem to kick something off in alot of people. Yeah, I don't think yeah. I tdon't. I totally agree, and Idon't think that it's necessarily like well yeah, it's not a bad thing ifyou're a creative person, that's your job! How you make money, how you getenjoyment and you've just gone actulltely know I can't be productive.I'm struggling like that's fine. You know, thires, there's been so many kindof Dick heads on twitter being like, if you're not producing your best work inthis lockdown. This amazing opportunity...

...of time, then, like your wastick you',you know you're wasting your time or whatever, and it's a real guilt tripupon people, and you know like, as everybody has had a billion times. Weare living in unprecedented times and you know like just get through it, howyou can get through it, but if you're getting through it, and- and I thinkthat this is what sets people apart, who are making making the most of it is a wrongterminology, but the people who are finding that ther. This situation hasimpacted their creativity positively and their outbut positively tend to bea bit more opportunistic. An opportunistic tends to have a reallynegative kind of connotations, like you're, anopportunistic person that sounds like fim, insulting you, but I think, beingopportunistic and being able to recognize and then act on anopportunity is actually an act of optimism. I think that things that havepreviously been passion, projects that have been on the backborner are goingto become careers for people. I'm an example of that like I've been onfurlough, for this is my sixt week, and I've got five more weeks of Furlough,which I'm excited about. There's a lots of things that I miss about. You knowmy team and my work and stuff, but I feel like this is an opportunity forme. I've done a lot of retraining and learning that could potentially change my careertraductory. You know in a couple of years time, so I think a that's. What'sKindof what I am seeing right now so like when we say the new normal Howisit going and definitely noticing people going. This is what I'm passionate andinterested about what I've really been passionate and interested about allalong. But you know I have to make money to live and stuff, so whist, I'm still sort of earning money,but I'm furlowghed or I'm working part time. I'm gonna, I'm Goinna Seez theday as it were, and I think yeah a lot of people havemaybe wediscovered or discovered new passions or newinterests, ornee talents and gifts that they've augmented with learning andtraining in this time, and so we'll see that kind of shift in people taking onnew career paths N it in like the next twelve months or so, and that makes mereally excited because it means that people are hopefully seizing somethingthat brings them a lot of joy and happiness and so we're going tohopefully see a lot more people in jobs that make them really happy andproductive and fulfilled, and that's really really exciting. People haveeither been saying. Well, actually it's mad be realize. I didn't like what Idid and this made them think. Well, okay, if I didn't like doing that, thenI need to plan for what I'm going to do and they've been doing that all etenpeople. That say: Well, I do like what do bats. I always wanted to do this too,and so Oll, actually I'd be better at what I do. If I, if I learn how to dothis, so her's been people doing that,...

...and I think we because we've had thattime, not just the working day. It's also the evenings as well, where you'vehad time to do different things because you're in the house already, so it'slike. Well, I don't wantto just do the same thing every evening. What about?If I do this qhat a better fo, do that so it's kind of been a tome wherepeople have discovered their passions and lots of ways, but not everybody. II mean, I think, that's the sort of Utopian view. There are people thathave been really stressed and it you know it's been horrible time for them.Oll there are people that have been sitting there. Thinking want to. Irealize I don't like what I do, but I don't know what to do about that aswell. So there are other aspects to this oofyea of it being great, but I'veseen loads of people be really creative yeah. I think there's something in thatthat old saying that necessity is the mother of invention, because often ittakes that I mean. Obviously we don't othink get situations quite thisextreme, but it's sometimes does take extreme situations. To give you a pushto do something else or to rethink what you're doing, and I so you know I neverever would have become selfemployees. If I hadn't had my daughter, I wasnever planning to se that I never intended to work fror. My film, Ialways thought I was quite happy taking a salary and and having all the purksthat go with that and the security and then that happens and suddenly HAP ogay of complotely doesn't have any choics ther it tuned out to be the bestthing that' because of been oppene to me, and then you know had been many and doying thatand it's been really great whut. I've still been doing. You know kind of t the same sort ofthing I was doing before or just for myself and we've had this opportunityto reevaluate everything again and I've been able to go actually whas. I reallycare about what it really care about. Is Diversity and making workplacesbetter for people and having people not feel that they have to leave becausethey've had a child or because they're women or you know, thate the same ofcheeses, Oren' open to them because of their ethnic backgrounds or whatever sothey're going to have to you know, become self omplotly do leave whatever.So we've had this chance to kind of come together and build which thesspace make that happen, and then you know I what I'm really passionate aboutis supporting the women who have been you know, kind of felt they've had toleave their jobs. So I putting more energy into shaping the training sideof my business in the mentoring say that I can be there and help face women,and you know on the writing side of things. I think you know it isabsolutely fine if yoyour blocks right now, because you'R say stressed out,that's that makes meaker sense, but for me- and I think, for a lot of people.Itthe creativity has been a way of kind of working through all the stress. It'saway of Al Mis, KI, processing it and dealing with it allby by chandling thatinto the into your creativition. So you know a lot of people. I think that'sreally kicked something off in them. What is everyone with children? I willsay that you know if Ikay Ol more time about how much free time everyone's got.I am going to kind of go on some sort of Merdress Rond page. You know thereis no free time if, if you're, looking after other people in your house, it'sit, you know it is incredibly stressful. You have to grab opportunities. When Icome to you have to see as what...

...opportunities you can get. OTHERWAYS EN, you won't get anywhere so yeah. It is about hapefully, just being able tojust go okay, well, the worst, as happened 'vegot to make the best of it.Now. Yeah definitely awesome, so we find ourselves in the very interestingposition of having to choose two of our prediction: thoughts. Contributions tothis episode, I'm at libing now to give us all time to think about our two I'll go fir. I'm gonna vote for Allegros coworkingpoint, because you think it's really interesting how the attitudes to coworking frombusinesses that own their own premises is going to probably change and howthey're going to consider that being an option, or at least part of the mix for what they offer their staff interms of working situations. So I'm going to vote for that one. I really love place of Maze points. Ithink they're both really really important. I think the the sense ofcreativity and thinking differently and enabling different voices into that mixis so incredibly important, and I think we need that and then in the part, ifwe, if we're talking about, what's actually happening, I think theConsiuton iftes has been something we've needed in this country for areally really long time. Wel Say I feel, like your creativity point, is myreally aspirationol what it wants to happen. One and then the Ittis I feelis, is more practically likely. Yeah Boto Mine, I didn't Hati, want to Wrakfor Y to as well, because I think they, I think, the less concentration, acities incompasse some of the other things we've been talking about and thecreativity does as well. I think they're just the trends that we'regoing to see and also. I think that people that have lived through this aregoing Lik. Those are the trends at they're going to be going towards, sonot concentrating in cities so much its just going to come with the naturalthing. I think and remembering that we're all creative as well, becausewe've all been threueh this time so mo you have one this weay yeah, so we will be putting most two pointsto a social media polling situation. We get to vote for the one you most agreewith, or you think is most likely then' going to take all of that information.We're going to plog it into future podcast episodes and series and Rog content and we're going to talkto people about all of these predictions that we've been having andchatting through and hopefully produce some really helpful content foreverybody to get stuck into. I really hope everybody's enjoyed it. We surehave if you have any suggestions or any thoughts or things that we can discussand explore together or suggestions for guests get in touch with this. You cango to watch this space stok UK and get...

...in touch with us through there, or youcan definitely find this on all social channels at watch this SP CE and thankyou very much gals for joining me for a fil chat. Thanks, Righti.

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