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Episode 3: The New ‘Normal’: How's It Going So Far?

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Hello everybody, and welcome to reimaginationat work podcast. This is our third episode of our three part series.Sadly, we're coming to an end on our new normal series. This episodeit's all about getting back to normal. And how's that going for everybody?We're going to be talking about our two predictions, ideas of thoughts about howit's going now and how things are changing and how we want them to changebecause, as we've said throughout the series, we don't really want to go backto normal. We need to reimagine what normal should be in this postpandemic world. So today I'm joined by a leg we're chapman and MOCANDELAU.Welcome guys. How are you doing? All good. How are you?Yes, not too bad, having a good week and sunshine always house.Yeah, it's amazing how much of a different kind of outlook it gives youwhen the sun is out, even when you're in lockdown. How are you? Both? Not Bad. Still Bad. It's yeah, definitely happy that thesun's out. It's starting to feel a bit less like the apothetic.Yeah, yeah, it's Nice. Yeah, definitely nice to feel like it isedging towards you know, like not normal, obviously, because that's notwhat we want, but being edging towards freedom and togetherness in a physical manner, which sounds very sexual, and I want to be together with you,in a together with both of you, and a physical manner every way.Shame of and it's weird how time is parting actually, because, you know, it just felt like it was all going to drag. Actually, nowlike another week's nearly gone. It's kind of the time just goes. It'sgoing pretty fast actually. Yeah, sure, I don't know whether that's because everyday feels quite similar. This morning I got up at what would bemy normal time in normal life, put makeup on, did my hair,chose out some clothes that were not jogging bottoms and Pajama and then I cameto my office. No one else is here, FY I do all ofthis work. So, yeah, it kind of feels regular. I'm gonnanot use the word normal. We're gonna DIG Right into our topic of ourthird and final podcast of this first series, the new normal. How's it allgoing, Leguad Chapman, how about you kick us off with your firstcontribution and we'll see if we agree with you. I would love to RachelPears. And so in terms of how normals going, I know from speakingto you a lot of different people that a little businesses have had a lotof flexible working and remote working requests landing on their deskchool ready. It's quiteinteresting. My husband's had a survey round from his work. Are King specificallyabout what the people wanted to work from home more often, how they'd liketo do that with. They're interested in...

...it. I know it's something thata lot of friends and other business owners I've spoken to you have been sayingthat they're really interested in. Now. They really want to increase that,you know, the time that they work from home after all this is over. They want to carry on doing at least a couple of days a weekat home. That's going to be something that business you to think about becauseif they haven't had a plan for how they come out of looks down andwhat they do about flexible working and long term, they need start thinking aboutthat right now. They need to start thinking about how they're going to makeit work long term rather than just as a reaction to coronavirus and everything that'sgoing on, and it can actually be really beneficial for a lot of businesses. While there's pressure to follow social distancing measures to keep certain health safety guidelinesin place, having fewer people physically in the office could be a real advantage. Could actually make it a lot easier to follow those guidelines make it looksafer. There's talk now of if certain areas get a spike in cases thatmight be local lockdowns. But then what happens if you're in lockdown, sayyou live in Brighton and you work in London. If you're in lockdown inBrighton but your office is still open, you know, how's that going towork? So actually, if let's working, you know, remote working is moreof an option than that makes it much more possible for for your employeeshere in different areas to keep working no matter what. Yeah, I thinkI'm definitely agree with that one because it's there have been businesses that work likethis already. There are examples of companies that have always worked like this andit wasn't such a big thing for them. But equally there are a lot ofbusinesses it said it can't be done and that you couldn't do that jobremotely, and that's now changed and they've had to, I imagine, thereare lots of companies looking at their processes right now and you know how theycan be get set out for this because they, as you've already said,they being inundated with request for it. Yeah, when we're working with businesses, that's one of the things that we look at, is how they canmake flexible working work and how they can can put that into tea action.And so from that we know how important is to have a really robust process, because it isn't just a case of just doing what you do now butvia video call or slackers. A lot more to it. You can't justmeet you're existing set up online and then that's it. Yeah, I thinkit's going to come down to how how much forward planning businesses are putting inright now. Yeah, I'm thinking about businesses that are extremely non traditional businesses. So obviously film production, TV production as just shut down industries where they'rerequires people to be in physical contact, so you know like hairdressers, beautycell ons, that kind of thing as well. Lots and lots of humaninteraction and touching. I wonder how how the future looks for them in termsof like future proofing. Like we kind of touched on last episode. It'skind of beyond me at the moment about how that can even how that caneven work. I hope it does, because I'm extremely UNCAMFUTA and I needa beauty cell on like before the pub's...

...open. So, yeah, hairdressing is a really interesting one because obviously no, there's there's no way thatyou can do remote hairdressing. That would be disasters. But you can domobile hairdressing. It obviously it requires you to be in contact with one person, but it limits the number of people that you're in contact within it.It means that that you can be a bit safer and and and I guessalso track you've been in contact with a wonder if there's going to be moreof a model of that kind of one on one, you know services whereit is more of a you know, people coming to you, coming outto people's houses, more of a kind of private interaction rather than, yeah, so a busy head people, which could lead to more options for peoplefor working as well. Yeah, I certainly hope that's still going to getgoing to because I also badly need a haircut. I massively cuttle of myhair off right full, looked down and I'm not growing it out. Sothis is actually proved to be out of perfect time. I guess it's aboutthe attitude. is about the attitudes of people come to it with of we'reminimizing the risk, when we know it's not realistic to expect to completely obliteratethe risk. So and people need to work, people need to make aliving. So it is about minimizing what risk there is. So going.Yeah, mobile services like that are much better. Cool. So, Molet's move on to your point. Yeah, so mine is actually kind of connectedto Legras in lots of way. So I think there's going to beless concentration on cities. So we've already seen Cambridge University, for example,of moved their entire year online until next year. And more businesses are recruitingremotely. They're thinking about how roles can work remotely. So I think that'sgoing to lead to then businesses assessing how much office space the actually did,where the office needs to be, what does the office need to be for? And I think then that I think we'll see that there will be lessof an impact on living in city. So you don't have to work livein London. And can we all commute hours to London to do certain roles. I think it will change things and my end sort of longer term,I feel like that's going to have a benefit because it'll be less pressure onhousing spread to the economy, so you don't have, hopefully don't have somany sort of areas that fill deprived because you can't get a job there,so everyone leaves there. I think there's going to be kind of redistribution ofwhere people are located to work, which is going to have I think that'sgoing to stay. A lot of that. I don't think we're going to seethat will go back to how it was and that I've seen lots ofarticles online actually, and a blog post about. You know, is thisthe death of the office as we know it? Yeah, I can confirmthat that is is happening, because we've been looking for a little while aboutmoving a bit further out of Brighton, because we're based right in the centerof well hove actually the moment and we've...

...been looking for a while and movinga little bit further out to get a little bit more space and be nearerto the beach, which we really like. What we can't ever do right inthe center of hope, because it's ridiculous expensive. Yeah, we youknow, we've been looking at that for a while. But actually, whatkind of able does that mean? Then my husband's up preaching his job andhe's really happy where he works. He's really suffoled. She does not meanhaving to him having to change jobs, as it mean I'm reaching everything.But actually now, if he's working from home a few days a week,commuting a bit further for the days they just have to go in to theoffice, isn't so bad and we can then move further out, have thatspace and that kind of you know, cheaper houses well, which would benice and and yeah, that kind of better quality of life and better balance. So we're doing that now. You know that's happening. We're our placeson the market. We're off so hopefully. People talk about the UK being overcrowded. It isn't. Only about one percent of the UK is inhabited,but the problem is we have such dense clusters, London obviously being the biggestone, but you've got Birmingham and Manchester and places like that that it arethe only places where you can get jobs. So everybody flocks there and, asyou said, both. That puts huge pressure on resources housing. Youknow, it causes huge areas of social separation in some areas and it createsall of these problems in it it's it makes people feel overcrowded and over powersand really stressed out, whereas actually, if you can spread that out andthen distribute the resources more evenly and people have space to breathe and there's lesspressure on everything, then it will just make everything look better for everybody.Yeah, yeah, I agree with that one and very fortunately your point linksto my first point. So I'm just going to respond with my first point. What you were saying around two people even need physical offices anymore. We'regoing to see a decline in physical shared office spaces. Like individuals, businessesmight not even have their, you know, their own premises. Like start visibility. We've got a nice office. Everyone, I think, likes beingit. I like being it. I'm here right now. But one ofmy points was, I think, for me personally and I think for alot of people who have gone through our three hundred and sixty with working fromhome. So I used to hate working from home. I used to likebeing surrounded by people. My job is quite people focused anyway, and whenI first started working from home it was really off court. I've definitely becomeaccustomed to it now I see like I've seen the light, but I've seenthe benefits of like working from home and being a bit more in control ofyour time and destiny and day and what you do and when and all ofthat kind of stuff. Think it's going to be awfully hard for me andfor a lot of people to actually now...

...that we're sort of easing up lockdownstuff, businesses are going back to work. I think people are going to reallystruggle and need support for going back to you know how it was beforeall, albeit with probably social distancing measures in place in physical offices. Somy prediction, I guess, linked to my that point and your point,Mos, that I think probably going to see a lot of office spaces uppolice, especially ones that have or maybe not especially ones that have their teamworking in the same city. For me, I'm coming at it from a selfishpoint of view and that my job is managing six other people as wellas doing kind of client deliverable work as well. I'd see it as quiteeasy one to for us to take our business and work from home and nothave a physical office because we're all close together in terms of the city,in terms of Brighton Hove, but a people, a couple of people inshore them whereas initially I would have thought that that would be too difficult andI wouldn't enjoy it. For those one on ones that I have with myteam, there's no reason why we can't physically meet up in a coffee shopand have those important conversations and development discussions, training and all of that kind ofstuff in in person and just do you know, the business and thework that we need to do online. We've got lots of tools that helpthat. So I think, yeah, my prediction is I hope I don'thave to come back to a physical office because I'm going to find it toodifficult and I don't think that we totally need them anymore. And believe me, listeners, that is a complete like turnaround from my my opinion mere monthsago. So you have no idea how much that is a departure from theratiel of just before lookdown. I also just went up into a bit ofa reverie while you were talking, imagining sitting in a coffee shop with somebody, because probably the thing I miss most of the moment. I'm missing thefrightened lanes, coffee shops, like I haven't had an expertly made flat whitefour months and I realize this is first world problems like I make like forme to for that to be one of my top problems at the moment isincredibly privileged and and, yeah, kind of stupid, but I do missit. So, you know, yeah, I guess anything I worry about iskind of people's and different need as people mental have different needs. People, some people really thrive in that office environment. So it's just going tobe thinking about those things and how you can repreat that. Or do youhave that some of the time? Yeah, how do you make it work?Yeah, yeah, and support needs as well, you know, forpeople with different kind of physical needs. How were they going to be providedfor if there's no office? How are you going to be checking in withpeople to make sure they're okay? How are you going to be keeping thatcompany culture going? Yeah, there's a lot to think about with it,but I yeah, I think that will be pretty high on a lot ofpeople's continuacy plans right now because, especially...

...if they've taken a financial hit withwith all of this going on, if they're thinking will actually we can wekeep some costs by letting our office space go? Yeah, there's going tobe a lot of boring considerations as well, like Internet, like, who paysfor that? If we're all work home? Health and safety? Dowe need to worry about health and safety and people's homes, like from abusiness perspective? Yeah, so in most corporation. So there's I used towork in Bigger Cup corporations where they do have to think about that. Sothey would. They have work from home policy that you have to do arisk assessment for working from home. Some companies even give you a budget tobuy a desk and chair. You know, the husband coming, my husband works. Will they do that? So there are bigger companies will of someof them will have those things in place, not all, but it's a it'sall of the other businesses that would have never even thought about that.Then we need to think about that. Yeah, completely. Yeah, cool. Right, let's move on. A LEGRA, it's your turn again.Well, this actually fits quite nicely with what we're just talking abou out,because I don't have enough this because I'm I'm on one man and one womanband gout done the Patriarchy and the gendered language. I am one woman band, so I well, I can a co working space and that's been really, really valuable for me for from lots of different perspectives. One just formy mental health. Getting out of the House and going and seeing other humansand having people around me when I'm working is really nice, even if Ireally, you know, some days we're necessarily speak to anybody really, butjust having other humans near you is a really nice thing and get just gettingout the house. I really know if we do all end up at ain a place where we're not at working physical officism, we're working remotely.I really recommend to everybody to get themselves a co working space membership and gogo somewhere to work, because it I did try a little while when Ifirst needs to bright nose, commuting up to London two days a week,working from home the rest of the time, and I was actually working in myflat. I'm going absolutely out of my mind and getting really just,yeah, stressed and fed up about it. So I really recommend people can getout and get a CO working membership for the gender that in that situationis. It really helps, but also foot for me it's been really valuablefor networking and business connections. I've got clients through connections that I've made inthat space. You know, I collaborated with a lot of people I've met. There's been a lot of work that suppo from that. So it's really, really youthful to me and I am now kind of wondering about what that'sgoing to look like. And you know, it's a great thing about co workingspaces of their places where you can share ideas. You can just besitting working away and someone there's are does anyone know anything about this, andthen you can have a little past about that. You can tryelmation and youcan pick ideas around and you know, all of that side of thing isgreat when you're working on your own.

So well for anybody, but particularif you're on your own. So yeah, I'm kind of wondering what's gonna Happento that now and how that's going to operate or where where that opportunityfor collaboration and corporation is going to go for, you know, particularly forpeople who work by themselves. And that said, Folda scrosier so the projectswho are a co working space in the center of Brighton or a client ofmine and obviously, with everything's going on, I've been really closely involved of conversationsopen having about about their next steps and they're reopening. You know,they've been working incredibly hard. Best is their operations manager as an Asia legend. She's been working incredibly hard to put lads of different safety measures in placeand work out, you know, the best way to make the building availablepeople safely so they can use them and get all of those benefits. Butalso they've had a lot of things online. They've they've created a lot of butactual ways that people can still attend events, training and, you know, kind of people that learning, but also collaborate with one another, shareideas and kind of keep that community going. So I think it would be reallyinteresting to see how that progresses and whether there's more of a blend nowof that virtual collaboration and online community building as well as the offline side.But I hope that we can, you know, be able to keep theoffline going as well. Yeah, there's been some really good online collaborations duringthis time. It's almost been overwhelming. There's been so many opportunities to dialinto different types of webinars and networking events. I went to a great events lastweek. It was last week where, I'll give a little plug to her, actually had a barry who runs a coffee company, runs and linkedinposting parties where you will get together, you meet each other, talk aboutwhat you do and then you like and share each other's linkedin post so it'sa way of like creating the online community. There's been like conferences online, there'sbeen, as she said, with the projects having their community online.There's been a lot of those things and it be great to see that continueso that people that are working remotely have ways to connect with people. I'vehad a couple of meetings in coworking spaces before and I kind of feel likethey're great areas for creativity, like especially the projects and platform line. They'rethe way that they're designed. I mean those are the only two I've beenin, so I literally can't talk about any others. The way they're designedare to foster kind of creativity. They've got enough resources for you to goand kind of deep work by yourself and it's another option for businesses who dowant to do away with their their actual premises. If they rent or ownpremises but still keep regular in person collaboration together or have like bigger company meetingstogether, they can rent spaces and those...

...co working spaces to do that.Or if they really have people in their teams who are just like I justcan't work on my own at home, I hate it, then there's anoption, a much more affordable option there for them to provide them with theco working desk in a co working space for them to feel the energy ofpeople around them, you know, make connections and that kind of thing,and actually that's probably quite a lucrative thing to have access to as a businessyou've got, especially in Brighton it's so creative. Lots of start up businessesare in coworking spaces, so tapping into that kind of startup energy is canbe really refreshing as well if you're in a more established business. So that'sdefinitely something that should be considered as part of the mix of what comes next. There are a lot there are lots of the lots in London is wherenow so we work, and the famous ones for that, but there arebusinesses that are purely based in those we work facilities where they have, youknow, they have bars and you have like beers on a Friday in these, but they also have meeting spaces they hit. A lot of those businessesmight have bigger team. So maybe software engine is at are base there,but they can get them in for meetings if they need to. So thatI think there's going to be. I don't think homeworking is going away.I think it will be in different ways. I'll be virtual ways of networking aswell, but I think it's going to be more use to those kindsof things. We think about the projects is has got those sort of membersclub by and also I went as a guest. I'm not a member becauseI'm not that one. Deep and fine invite me to so hour house inLondon and for a day just very swanky swing pool on the roof, andthat does and lovely and all that. All those sorts of things I thinkare going to increase in popularity now and people are really keen for those networks, those connections and yeah, bit being able to tap into that, thatsense of community and especially if they can have an online component as well,to bring more people in and make it more accessible to more people. Ithink that would be really interesting to watch. Yeah, awesome, cool. So, Mo what's your second and final point to share with the listeners?Yeah, so for me, I it's my final point to share. It'sabout creativity. I think there's going to be more creativity done in different ways, leading to more diversity and ation. Is My prediction. So we've alreadygot people working in different locations, working different hours and using different types ofcollaboration tool. So whether it is, you know, zoom for video conferencing, or there are other kinds of collaboration tools that you've seen people using wherethey can put ideas together and brain storm and, you know, share ideas, and it's going to lead to there's going to be more of that,and there's all kinds of stats about this, which is why it's so frustrating thatnothing changes. More diverse teams have more creative ideas that make companies moremoney. So it can only be a good thing to have different ways ofcreating all of these ideas and that this time has led to that, becausethat's got to change. So instead of...

...having the same types of people comingup with product ideas and things like that and getting promoted because they've had thegreat idea. I predict that we're going to see more creativity, better ideasand different types of people being the people that lead those things. Yeah,definitely, it's like we're all on the same wavelength. Seriously, because I'llallego, you can go. I'll let you go first, but my myfinal point is again very much linked to what you just said. So Iagree. The only thing that is going to add to what may said wasthat I do think there's a weird link between lookdown and creativity, because Ithink we mentioned on a previous episode that I've had some sort of weird creativebut that sounds that's a horrible words, really gross change that I'm major.Yeah, yeah, Rachel can edit that out. And I have had asurge of creative season since I was that. It's weird because this has been probablyone of the mast stressful times of my life. It's been really stressful, it's been horrible and there's a lot about it that is is a nightmare. And yet so I'm a free lance writer and and a fiction writer aswell, and I found myself suddenly being just, you know, ridiculously prolificand my writing, I'm churning things out left, right the center, andyou know, I've really pretty locked down for quite a while. Been Strugglingto make stivate myself to write for myself, the open writing. I do alot of writing for work, which I was sa have to do becausethat's how I get paid, but the stuff for myself I've really struggled with. And suddenly it's all, it's all just, you know, pouring outof me and coming and I I've noticed with a lot of people, peoplewho work in different creative careers. You know, well, Rachel has beenall over the place. They're making films and writing and filming stuff and Iknow, you know I said a little friends who are actives, youth beenand, you know, creating these things and playwrights and you know, suddenlyeverybody seems to be turning work out all over the place and it's really interesting. I think that something in the pressure and the stress have looked down seemsto have unlocked something in a lot of people, not to say everybody.There are a lot of people are feeling really blocked at the things, verystressed, and that's fine and you shouldn't be paying pressure on yourself to bemassively creative just because lads of people are posting shit on instagram. It's youknow, it's it's fine not to be doing that, but I do thinkit's interesting that it does seem to kick something off in a lot of people. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I told I totally agree and Idon't think that it's necessarily like well, yeah, it's not a bad thing. If you're a creative person. That's your job, how you makemoney, how you get enjoyment, and you've just gone absolutely no, Ican't be productive, I'm struggling, like that's finely. You know, there'sthere's been so many kind of dickheads on twitter being like if you're not producinga best work in this lockdown, there's amazing opportunity of time, then likeyou're wasting you you know, you're wasting...

...your time or whatever, and it'sa real guilt trip upon people. And you know, like, as everybodyhas had a billion times, we are living in unprecedented times and you know, like just get through it, how you can get through it. Butif you're getting through it, and and I think that this is what setspeople apart who are making making the most of it as a wrong terminology.But the people who are finding that there, this situation has impacted their creativity positivelyand they're out, but positively, tend to be a bit more opportunistic, and opportunistic tends to have a really negative kind of connotations, like you'rean opportunistic person. That sounds like I'm insulting you. I think being opportunisticand being able to recognize and then act on an opportunity is actually an actof optimism. I think that things that have previously been passion projects, thathave been on the back burner, are going to become careers for people.I'm an example of that. Like I've been on furlough for this is mysix week and I've got five more weeks of fellow which I'm excited about.There's a lots of things that I miss about, you know, my teamand my work and stuff, but I feel like this is an opportunity forme. I've done a lot of retraining and learning that could potentially change mycareer trajectory, you know, in a couple of years time. So Ithink that's what's cut what I am seeing right now. So, like whenwe say the new normal, how's it going? And definitely noticing people goingthis is what I'm passionate and interested about, what I've really been passionate and interestedabout all along. But you know, I have to make money to liveand stuff. So whilst I'm still sort of earning money but I'm furloughedor I'm working part time, I'm gonna I'm going to seize the day,as it were, and I think, yeah, a lot of people havemaybe rediscovered or discovered new passions or new interests or new talents and gifts thatthey've augmented with learning and training in this time, and so we'll see thatkind of shifting, people taking on new career pasts in it in like thenext twelve months or so, and that makes me really excited because it meansthat people are hopefully seizing something that brings them a lot of joy and happiness, and so we're going to hopefully see a lot more people in jobs thatmake them really happy and productive and fulfilled, and that's really, really exciting.People have either been saying, well, actually, it's made me realize Ididn't like what I did, and this made them think, well,okay, if I didn't like doing that, then I need to plan for whyI am going to do and they've been doing that. All the peoplethat say, well, I do like what I do, but actually I'vealways wanted to do this too, and so well, actually, I'd bebetter at what I do if I if I learn how to do this.So there's been people doing that and I...

...think we've because we've had that time, not just the working day, it's also the evenings as well, whereyou've had time to do different things because you're in the house already. Soit's like, well, I don't want to just do the same thing everyevening. What about, for I do this, what about if I dothat? So it's kind of been a time where people have discovered their passionsand lots of ways, but not everybody. I mean I think that's the sortof Utopia of you. There are people that have been really stressed andit. You know, it's been horrible time for them all. There arepeople that have been sitting there think you want to I've realized I don't likewhat I do, but I don't know what to do about that as well. So there are other aspects to this year of it being great, butI've seen loads of people we really creative. Yeah, I think there's something inthat, that old saying that necessity is the mother of invention, becauseoften it takes the I mean, obviously we don't often get situations quite thisextreme, but it's sometimes does take extreme situations to give you a push todo something else or to rethink what you're doing, and I so. Youknow, I never ever would have become self employees if I hadn't had mydaughter. You know, I was never planning to do that. I neverintended to work myself. I always thought it was quite happy taking a salaryand having all the perks that go with that and the security. And thenthat happens and suddenly have to go self employe. Doesn't have any choice.Now it turned out to be the best thing that could possibly happened to meand then, you know, happen. Really enjoying that and it's been reallygreat. What I've still been doing, you know, kind of the samesort of thing I was doing before, just for myself, and we've hadthis opportunity to reevaluate everything again and I've been able to go what actually wasI really care about. What I really care about is diversity and making workplacesbetter for people and having people not feel that they have to leave because they'vehad a child or because there were a woman or you know, that they'rethe same up. Cheese's aren't open to them because of their ethnic backgrounds orwhatever, so they're going to have to, you know, become self employed orleave whatever. So we've had this chance to kind of come together andbuild which this space make that happen and then, you know, I wouldI'm really passionate about out is supporting the women who have been, you know, kind of felt they've had to leave their jobs. So I'm I'm puttingmore energy into shaping the training side of my business, in the mentoring sothat I can be there and help those women. And, you know,on the writing side of things, I think I know it is absolutely fineif you're blocks right now because you're so stressed out. That's that makes totalsense. But for me, and I think for a lot of people,it's the creativity has been a way of kind of working through all the stress. It's way of almos kind of processing it and dealing with it or byby channeling that into it, into your creativity. So you know, therea lot of people, I think, that's really kicked something off in them. Part of everyone with children. I will say that, you know,if I hear one more time about how much free time everyone's got, Iam going to kind of go on some sort of murderous roundpage. You know, there is no free time. If you've if you're looking after other peoplein your house, it's it. You know, it is Incredi be stressful. You have to grab opportunities when they come to you have to see thesewhat opportunities you can get, otherwise you...

...won't get anywhere. So yeah,it's about hopefully just being able to just go okay, well, the worsthas happened, I got to make the best of it now. Yeah,definitely awesome. So we find ourselves in the very interesting position of having tochoose two of our predictions, thoughts contributions to this episode. I'm out livingnow to give us all time to think about our to vote. I'll gofirst. I'm gonna vote for Allegra's coworking point because I think it's really interestinghow the attitudes to co working from businesses that own their own premises is goingto probably change and how they're going to consider that being an option or atleast part of the mix for what they offer their staff in terms of workingsituations. So I'm going to vote for that one. I really love placeof Maze points. I think they're both really, really important. I thinkthe sense of creativity and thinking differently and enabling different voices into that mix isso incredibly important and I think we need that. And then in the part, if we'd if we're talking about what's actually happening, I think the conscities has been something we've needed in this country for a really, really longtime, or so I feel like. You're creativity point as my really aspirationalwhat it wants to happen one and then the cities, I feel, ismore practically likely. Yeah, both of mine. I didn't hey, youdidn't know. I wanted to write it from my too as well, becauseI think they I think they're less concentration cities encompasses some of the other thingswe've been talking about and the creativity does as well. I think they're justthe trends that we're going to see and also I think that people that livedthrough the it are going to like those are the trends that they're going tobe going towards. So not concentrating in cities so much. It's just goingto come with the natural thing, I think, and remembering that we're allcreative as well, because we've all been through this time. So, Moyou have won this week. A Yay. So we will be putting most twopoints to a social media polling situation. We get to vote for the onethat you most agree with or you think is most likely. I'm goingto take all of that information, we're going to plug it into future podcastepisodes and series and blog content and we're going to talk to people about allof these predictions that we've been having and chatting through and hopefully produce some reallyhelpful content for everybody to get stuck into. I really hope everybody's enjoyed it.We shall have. If you have any suggestions or any thoughts on thingsthat we can discuss and explore together, or suggestions for guests, get intouch with us. You can go to...

...watch this space dot UK and getin touch with us through there, or you can definitely find us on allsocial channels at watch this sp see and thank you very much, gals,but joining me for a ful chat. Thanks right. Hi,.

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